二氧化碳控制箱风油切断联锁问题探讨

江海直达

刘教授就是高，知所以然。在火灾起始情形，需要手动去切断风机油泵，因为它们助火势，再关快关阀切断油路。做完这个，消防队灭火，假如火灾情形得不到控制，需要借助灭火系统，通知人员撤回，通知关闭风闸密闭门和开口，打开释放箱，即刻预报警，随之拉下释放把手，延时二十秒后，释放灭火。

labilaoxin

留得残荷听雨声 发表于 2020-4-6 06:31
回帖老是不着四六，你把我说"不对"的的东西一对一的按我上述要求拿出来亮亮，老当评委怎么可以。另 ...

刘老师所言极是
本人酒后之言，当不得真

labilaoxin

江海直达 发表于 2020-4-7 11:34
刘教授就是高，知所以然。在火灾起始情形，需要手动去切断风机油泵，因为它们助火势，再关快关阀切断油路。 ...

江老师开贴讲一下风油切断吧。好像刘老师的看法和您的看法不太一样

江海直达

FSS code chapter 5:
2.1.3 System control requirements

  2.1.3.1 The necessary pipes for conveying fire-extinguishing medium into the protected spaces shall be provided with control valves so marked as to indicate clearly the spaces to which the pipes are led. Suitable provisions shall be made to prevent inadvertent release of the medium into the space. Where a cargo space fitted with a gas fire-extinguishing system is used as a passenger space, the gas connection shall be blanked during such use. The pipes may pass through accommodations providing that they are of substantial thickness and that their tightness is verified with a pressure test, after their installation, at a pressure head not less than 5 N/mm2. In addition, pipes passing through accommodation areas shall be joined only by welding and shall not be fitted with drains or other openings within such spaces. The pipes shall not pass through refrigerated spaces.

  2.1.3.2 Means shall be provided for automatically giving audible and visual warning of the release of fire-extinguishing medium into any ro-ro spaces, container holds equipped with integral reefer containers, spaces accessible by doors or hatches, and other spaces in which personnel normally work or to which they have access. The audible alarms shall be located so as to be audible throughout the protected space with all machinery operating, and the alarms should be distinguished from other audible alarms by adjustment of sound pressure or sound patterns. The pre-discharge alarm shall be automatically activated (e.g., by opening of the release cabinet door). The alarm shall operate for the length of time needed to evacuate the space, but in no case less than 20 s before the medium is released. Conventional cargo spaces and small spaces (such as compressor rooms, paint lockers, etc.) with only a local release need not be provided with such an alarm.

  2.1.3.3 The means of control of any fixed gas fire-extinguishing system shall be readily accessible, simple to operate and shall be grouped together in as few locations as possible at positions not likely to be cut off by a fire in a protected space. At each location there shall be clear instructions relating to the operation of the system having regard to the safety of personnel.

  2.1.3.4 Automatic release of fire-extinguishing medium shall not be permitted, except as permitted by the Administration.
刘教授要是阅读有难处，请百度或有道翻译一下。

江海直达

FSS code chapter 5:
2.1.3 System control requirements

  2.1.3.1 The necessary pipes for conveying fire-extinguishing medium into the protected spaces shall be provided with control valves so marked as to indicate clearly the spaces to which the pipes are led. Suitable provisions shall be made to prevent inadvertent release of the medium into the space. Where a cargo space fitted with a gas fire-extinguishing system is used as a passenger space, the gas connection shall be blanked during such use. The pipes may pass through accommodations providing that they are of substantial thickness and that their tightness is verified with a pressure test, after their installation, at a pressure head not less than 5 N/mm2. In addition, pipes passing through accommodation areas shall be joined only by welding and shall not be fitted with drains or other openings within such spaces. The pipes shall not pass through refrigerated spaces.

  2.1.3.2 Means shall be provided for automatically giving audible and visual warning of the release of fire-extinguishing medium into any ro-ro spaces, container holds equipped with integral reefer containers, spaces accessible by doors or hatches, and other spaces in which personnel normally work or to which they have access. The audible alarms shall be located so as to be audible throughout the protected space with all machinery operating, and the alarms should be distinguished from other audible alarms by adjustment of sound pressure or sound patterns. The pre-discharge alarm shall be automatically activated (e.g., by opening of the release cabinet door). The alarm shall operate for the length of time needed to evacuate the space, but in no case less than 20 s before the medium is released. Conventional cargo spaces and small spaces (such as compressor rooms, paint lockers, etc.) with only a local release need not be provided with such an alarm.

  2.1.3.3 The means of control of any fixed gas fire-extinguishing system shall be readily accessible, simple to operate and shall be grouped together in as few locations as possible at positions not likely to be cut off by a fire in a protected space. At each location there shall be clear instructions relating to the operation of the system having regard to the safety of personnel.

  2.1.3.4 Automatic release of fire-extinguishing medium shall not be permitted, except as permitted by the Administration.
刘教授要是阅读有难处，请百度或有道翻译一下。

江海直达

留得残荷听雨声 发表于 2020-4-6 06:31
回帖老是不着四六，你把我说"不对"的的东西一对一的按我上述要求拿出来亮亮，老当评委怎么可以。另 ...

FSS code chapter 5:
2.1.3 System control requirements

  2.1.3.1 The necessary pipes for conveying fire-extinguishing medium into the protected spaces shall be provided with control valves so marked as to indicate clearly the spaces to which the pipes are led. Suitable provisions shall be made to prevent inadvertent release of the medium into the space. Where a cargo space fitted with a gas fire-extinguishing system is used as a passenger space, the gas connection shall be blanked during such use. The pipes may pass through accommodations providing that they are of substantial thickness and that their tightness is verified with a pressure test, after their installation, at a pressure head not less than 5 N/mm2. In addition, pipes passing through accommodation areas shall be joined only by welding and shall not be fitted with drains or other openings within such spaces. The pipes shall not pass through refrigerated spaces.

  2.1.3.2 Means shall be provided for automatically giving audible and visual warning of the release of fire-extinguishing medium into any ro-ro spaces, container holds equipped with integral reefer containers, spaces accessible by doors or hatches, and other spaces in which personnel normally work or to which they have access. The audible alarms shall be located so as to be audible throughout the protected space with all machinery operating, and the alarms should be distinguished from other audible alarms by adjustment of sound pressure or sound patterns. The pre-discharge alarm shall be automatically activated (e.g., by opening of the release cabinet door). The alarm shall operate for the length of time needed to evacuate the space, but in no case less than 20 s before the medium is released. Conventional cargo spaces and small spaces (such as compressor rooms, paint lockers, etc.) with only a local release need not be provided with such an alarm.

  2.1.3.3 The means of control of any fixed gas fire-extinguishing system shall be readily accessible, simple to operate and shall be grouped together in as few locations as possible at positions not likely to be cut off by a fire in a protected space. At each location there shall be clear instructions relating to the operation of the system having regard to the safety of personnel.

  2.1.3.4 Automatic release of fire-extinguishing medium shall not be permitted, except as permitted by the Administration.
刘教授要是阅读有难处，请百度或有道翻译一下。

留得残荷听雨声

    "度娘"不养儿，"有道"不说理。上帖已说了那么多，在中文平台懂英文的如不能用中文落到实处(解释明白)，要么英文还是"不硬"有盲区，要么中文表达能力不行，要么就是专业不精准不知其"硬核"在哪。连中文规范都被诸多专业英语英精们称作"垃圾"，试想用翻译器干这活能行，"技术"水舱等就是这类翻译器的杰作(翻译器必须得由人工校正)。
     我们在讨论中文规范的时候常常都会复制一段/一句或一个词组原文然后进行剖析论证、各抒己见，力求把关键概念/要义弄清楚。怎么到了用英语就不行了呢，一弄就是一大段原文或给个标题链接，很像一个不厌其烦的学生请示一个很厌其烦的教授之所为。
      我的观点已在三楼表述的很直白，现在就是确认一下风油切断要义涵盖了那些机电设备就行了。通常设计上只涉及了风机、燃/滑油输送泵(不含其他泵)、娱乐设备等(从主配板空气开关连锁)。
     

江海直达

留得残荷听雨声 发表于 2020-4-7 14:36
"度娘"不养儿，"有道"不说理。上帖已说了那么多，在中文平台懂英文的如不能用中文落到实处(解释明白)， ...

风机油泵的切断，在SOLAS理规定了，
二氧化碳灭火系统的控制要求在FSS规则里，
两个内容，好心网友都张贴出来，
怪就怪教授不懂英文
我都怀疑你的正高级职称如何评上的。

labilaoxin

江海直达 发表于 2020-4-7 16:25
风机油泵的切断，在SOLAS理规定了，
二氧化碳灭火系统的控制要求在FSS规则里，
两个内容，好心网友都张 ...

索拉斯网上大把的中文版，虽然说翻译的差了点，但应该能看明白
关键刘老师就认自己的理儿

留得残荷听雨声

    说到这般时候都跑题了。
    本来楼主是中文贴其表述的也是相关中文规范，在不涉及求证原委的前提下，各自都用中文表述不好么，用中文难道就说不明白了还是咋地，譬如说风油切断除了风机还有那些具体设备说清楚不就行了么。
   之前楼上贴出英语我让他翻译看看(他应该知道我不懂英语)不回也就完了，没有蜡笔回帖就算歇菜了。
    大侠贴出原文要我自查百度/有道解答我看有戏弄、嘲笑之意，你连对中文规范从不"正眼"看，却要我用这个这解读，这太不符合你一以贯之严谨的专业作风。期待你能像英语老师一样教学生点真本实料的东西(摘录点对点的英语概念定义 要义及中文解释 这样一大堆不好使)。或像21楼那样的表述也挺好。
     还是那话此事纯闲聊(用中文能互动多少是多少)，我平时连电脑都懒得开说这个那个不值得(有那功夫查规范也能有解)。
     教授是你们封的不行就摘了吧，自己纯一熟练技术工人身份有登记可询。
     

lucimp

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bareboat

江海直达 发表于 2020-4-7 16:25
风机油泵的切断，在SOLAS理规定了，
二氧化碳灭火系统的控制要求在FSS规则里，
两个内容，好心网友都张 ...

刘教授，文字功底不错。

江海直达

江海直达 发表于 2020-4-7 11:34
刘教授就是高，知所以然。在火灾起始情形，需要手动去切断风机油泵，因为它们助火势，再关快关阀切断油路。 ...

咋就答复的这么完整，跟刘教授有的一比，开玩笑呗。

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